i've been a big supporter of the nsa program. i think it's unfortunate that it got caught up in the irs scandal, which was a scandal. but nsa over the years has donnieman duty for us. i know the senator, i've got a lot of respect for him. i also met jim clapper when he was the air force intelligence officer in korea 25 years ago. so i don't know the details and i'm reluctant to judge it unless i know. >> on a separate note, do you feel like we're in retreat everywhere? you got china, the deal we're cutting in iran. we talked about the ukraine in the green room. what is the over-- what's the main difference in tenor from the administration left and the one now? >> i don't think that barak obama believes in the u.s. as an exceptional nation and the whole concept that the world is a safer place, more peaceful place when the u.s. is powerful able to project its will. we're cutting the defense department, withdrawing from the middle east, and cutting the defense budget to the bone, doing enormous damage. people are no longer adversari